tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7094682562158691055.post4442038668114332353..comments2012-03-24T14:14:04.490-04:00Comments on Productive Outs and Crackerjack: Another Strike Against Jack MorrisJack Flynnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16809904649660393420noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7094682562158691055.post-76966474115939813242009-12-02T20:17:57.771-05:002009-12-02T20:17:57.771-05:00Ah, I see that you're using the Falzarano Theo...Ah, I see that you're using the Falzarano Theory of Debate - I said it, so I'm right. Ignore those pesky stats, they don't support what you believe!Jack Flynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16809904649660393420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7094682562158691055.post-24932684691495942432009-12-02T19:45:31.876-05:002009-12-02T19:45:31.876-05:00But you chose to initially stress his career numbe...But you chose to initially stress his career numbers he amassed over a longer career. you can stress anything you want. If I'm putting a guy on the mound between those two its going to Morris. You can have Martinez and lose. Just like this argument.TWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04619620902215995000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7094682562158691055.post-31611923878625254562009-12-02T19:04:30.501-05:002009-12-02T19:04:30.501-05:00You know, I want to stress this sentence again: De...You know, I want to stress this sentence again: <i>Dennis Martinez put up better numbers over a seven-season stretch in his mid- to late-30s that were better than any season in Morris's career.</i><br /><br />Take any of the best single seasons in Jack Morris's career and look how they stack up against Martinez from 1987 to 1993. Morris's best seasons usurp Martinez's 1993 campaign, but you'd be hard-pressed to find one season better than any of Martinez's previous six campaigns.Jack Flynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16809904649660393420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7094682562158691055.post-83328382211845957812009-12-02T19:00:09.114-05:002009-12-02T19:00:09.114-05:00Hyperbole will get you nowhere. Martinez really ca...Hyperbole will get you nowhere. Martinez really can't hold Morris's jock. despite only nine fewer wins and a better career ERA and WHIP?<br /><br />Morris was the ace of the staff for most of his career in Detroit, although he was no great shakes in his last two seasons there. And really, the Tigers didn't exactly stack their rotation behind him. Milt Wilcox, Dan Petry, Walt Terrell and late-career Frank Tanana isn't a whole lot of competition.<br /><br />He was the #3 starter in his one season with the Twins (behind Kevin Tapani and Scott Erickson). He was also the #3 starter in Toronto during their 1992 season (behind Jimmy Key and Juan Guzman). His last two seasons were flame-outs.<br /><br />Dennis Martinez was not the ace in Baltimore, but he was a dominant pitcher in Montreal. He put up better numbers over a seven-season stretch in his mid- to late-30s that were better than any season in Morris's career.<br /><br />As for the postseason - Morris was nothing special in 1987 (lost his only playoff start) and in 1992 (0-3 with a 7.44 ERA and a 1.696 WHIP). It's not Martinez's fault that he went 16 years between playoff appearances.Jack Flynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16809904649660393420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7094682562158691055.post-72732492693310891532009-12-02T15:56:23.020-05:002009-12-02T15:56:23.020-05:00Another strike against Jack.
There is no doubt t...Another strike against Jack. <br /><br />There is no doubt that Morris was the number one starter on everyone of his teams. He was the go to guy, and succeeded in the post season. <br /><br />There is no doubt that Martinez could not hold claim to any of those statements.<br /><br />Martinez' career numbers are over a 22 year career. Over 22 years you should be able to get over 300 wins or at least within striking distance. <br /><br />I'm not saying Morris should be in the hall of fame, but Martinez can't hold his jock.<br /><br />Why don't we put Tippy Martinez in the hall while we're at it.TWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04619620902215995000noreply@blogger.com